Jennifer: 0:24

Welcome to another episode of Behind the Dreamers. I'm your host, jennifer Loehding, and we are talking to the achievers, the creators, the magic makers and the dreamers. These are our friends, these are your friends and they are living the extraordinary Well. I'm so excited about my guests today. I think you guys are going to be in for a treat. I say that every time because we always get amazing guests on this show. But she says that she went from being broke and broken to being a philanthropic multi-entrepreneur, from trauma survivor to soul searcher and manifesting maven, from anxious and afraid to badass iron sister, love this and from midlife standstill to an adventurous nomad. She says she changed her life, and so can you, and so you guys. I'm so excited to chat with her today. This is going to be so much fun, but we do have to do a quick shout out for our sponsors.

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So Sabine Schoepke is a master at helping midlife professionals reinvent themselves. As a seasoned business and life coach and engaging bestselling author, speaker and dedicated podcaster, she embodies the spirit of transformation. But that's not all. Sabine also stands tall as a bodybuilder, showcasing her commitment to mental and emotional strength and physical prowess through her challenges, including personal trauma and a battle with cancer. Her mantra clarity changes minds, changes lives, as a testament to the power of clear mind and a strong mindset. So, sabine, welcome to the show. I am so excited to chat with you today.

Sabine: 2:32

Thank you so much. I am so happy to be here.

Jennifer: 2:35

This can be so much fun, and I know you and I got to talk like before we even did this show and I was like, oh my gosh, I love this woman. I'm like I got to introduce you to somebody else, because I love all my powerful dynamic and, as you said, badass, iron sister. I love these kind of women because I think you guys just have grit and tenacity and persistence and all the things that just make you incredible. So this is going to be fun. I'm excited.

Sabine: 3:00

Yes, me too.

Jennifer: 3:02

All right. So I want to open this up because I know you're calling in from around the world now, and I want to start there because I think you know when I talk about the behind the dreamers, you know I talk about living extraordinary and I think it's you know. I always say the message on this show is about showing people that people are living extraordinary lives because they're making different decisions in their lives or choosing to do the different. And so you've done this, and I think you've done this over and over and over. It's not been a one time thing. But you're calling in from around the world now and I want to start there Like, tell us a little bit about where you are right now and what you're doing.

Sabine: 3:35

Okay, so I am currently sitting in a little mountain home in the German Alps and I recently relocated to this place. On December 31st, I got on a plane with two suitcases and from Los Angeles and arrived here and my little wooden home and, yeah, I gave up everything I had in LA. I sold my company last year and then, as my kids left home for college and I was sitting in the house by myself, I was like what am I doing here? So I sold the house, I sold my car, I sold all my belongings and I narrowed it all down to two suitcases. And here I am. So fun Trying something new, something different.

Sabine: 4:23

I was ready for something different and you know, so it's. It's a journey. I've been here for four weeks now and every day I discover new things that challenge me. But I the first week was rough because I was like I was really sick too and I laid there by myself and I'm like what did I do? Oh my God, I have no more home, I have no more stuff, I have nothing I do. But in the meantime I learned to embrace this and I feel like every time there's another little wave of something where I'm like oh my God, what do I do? Like I don't know. This is all so foreign to me. I remind myself that this is actually the stuff that makes us grow and that this is a good thing. It's, it's, it's proof of things evolving, of me evolving of me growing, of me becoming even more courageous. And when I look at it that way, I'm okay, I'm like okay, so bring it on, let's, let's do this.

Jennifer: 5:25

Yeah, I think this is so great and I think people that you know I always say it's unfortunate that you know and I don't know all of your, your personal trauma and everything. But I think it's unfortunate sometimes that we have to go through these things, but I think they lay a groundwork for the resiliency and the tenacity and the boldness and all the things that come with it later in life. So there's good in that comes out of all of those things, because I think it allows you know, people like you, to be able to do things like this, get in a position where you say you know what I've done. Well, I've done good things and I need to change the trajectory trajectory of my life and do something different.

Sabine: 6:00

I agree. I always say to people that I believe that our growth happens in the trenches and I feel like a lot of things that I've experienced, from at a very young age homelessness to when I first left Europe. I'm originally from Germany and I left over 35 years ago and I moved to Canada and after I finished high school I was on my own and I was sitting on a park bench in Toronto. I'm like I don't even have three dollars left to my name and I started my first company in from that situation and things like that. And then you know cancer and infertility and I was unfortunately involved in a home invasion and like all of that stuff.

Sabine: 6:50

You know where in the moment it's like oh my God, I don't know if I can make it through that, you know, but you can, and you come out on the other end so much stronger and so much more resilient and I I am not fearful of things anymore, like I don't make things up in my head anymore like the worst case scenarios, you know, because I'm like, whatever it is, I feel like I've seen most of it.

Sabine: 7:17

You know, there's nothing I can't handle. So just, I Really think these things need to happen to make us into the people that we are today. And I often look back and people think I'm crazy when I say I am actually grateful for the things that happened to me, because They've made me into the person that I am today, that I I feel like I'm not just courageous and resilient but I'm also way more compassionate and I can Do the work that I do today with other people, sharing and trying to help other people to, you know, live their best lives, because I am Compassionate and empathetic, because I have been in a lot of those situations.

Jennifer: 8:00

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot there to take away from that and I do think that, yes, you do get to a place where I think I can resonate with what you're saying when you say you're able to somewhat and what I'm hearing Embrace what happened because it's allowed you to be in a different position to help others and take the good away from that. So I can certainly hear that and I think there's a lot of people that I talked to this sort of say that too. You know, I've talked to so many people that have had different things, like you know, deaths of spouses, you know, due to suicide and different things in their lives. And you know, in the moment it's really hard, but then they come out and they're like they're able to look at that in a different light. They're able to look at that, the the blessing in that situation, what they could take away from that, rather than the badness of the situation itself.

Jennifer: 8:44

So yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that, yeah so I know one of the things you're passionate about is, you know, we're is helping, you know, midlife women, which I think is so great, because I think we're all kind of in that space and you, I probably know that I think for so many moms, they get stuck in this whole idea of, oh my gosh, kids have left home. I'm just midlife mom now, right, like I'm stuck and I can't do anything, and I think the opposite, and I don't know how you feel about this, but I'd love to hear your take on this because I feel like, as a woman in her fifties, right, right, we have an ability and I think, oh it to ourselves to say we can do the things we want to do. Age is only a number. We can do what we want to do if we set our minds to it. It's really just us saying we're gonna claim it. I.

Sabine: 9:31

Agree with you. I. I think there's there's so much good in being in your midlife and whether it's, I don't know, 45 to 55 or even 60 I have I'm actually some of my clients Well, some of my most amazing clients are in their 80s. They do incredible work. There are such an inspiration and I think it's really just up to us, like, which way do you want to look at it? Your experiences are your gifts there, your your knowledge, your wisdom. You know, these are the things you didn't have when you were 20. You know, and these are tools that are so, oh my god, so incredible valuable. You know and Like use it to your advantage. You know, don't look at it like You're 50. Yeah, amazing, you're 50. That's go, come on, we can do incredible things.

Jennifer: 10:31

It's a wisdom right? Yes, you have wisdom that you didn't have before.

Sabine: 10:36

Yeah, and I sometimes I'm surprised when I see young coaches and they're like in the late 20s and they seem to have all the answers and I'm like, really, you haven't seen half of it. What are you talking about? How can you seriously give advice on stuff that you've never had kids, you've never Dealt with cancer, you've never you know, like there's a lot of things that, like we said, they're the gifts that make us stronger and, like that, wisdoms though those experiences that we've had. I wore so much. So, yeah, no, I think it's great. I've never felt better in my life, honestly, like physically, emotionally, spiritually. I would not want to go back to being 20.

Jennifer: 11:23

Heck. No, yeah, I'm with you. Well, let's talk about your bodybuilding, because that leads me into that question, because you, you, you're into. You know that was your thing and that I think you know. I've talked to a lot of different bodybuilders and I myself have done, you know, my own share of different things not bodybuilding, but I was a runner and I recognize there's a lot of discipline and dedication that goes into that and again it goes back to those decisions to do that. So I'd love to talk a little bit about what led you into that and what your experience was with that.

Sabine: 11:53

So it was actually a trauma that led me into that. It was shortly before COVID and somebody broke into my house and beat me up in my sleep and then tried to rape me and it was a horrible experience that I really and then what came afterwards like the whole legal system is so messed up Going through that was almost worse than the attack and I suffered. I like I had never experienced anything like that and you don't think that will ever happen to you either, because you're like I don't live in an area like that, I don't live a life like that, but it does happen and I wasn't prepared for it and I found myself like spiraling, just I couldn't get out of bed. I had terrible PTSD and I was afraid. I was so scared of what might be next and I didn't go to work anymore. I started drinking very heavily just to numb the pain and then discovered working out and that was within my complex. There was an F-45, a high-intensity interval training, and they just opened up and they gave us little flyers and at some point I don't know what it was I was like you know what, I'm gonna try this out. And I went in there and I realized immediately that it made me feel better and I ended up going, sometimes three times a day. I would go in the morning or go at night, maybe in the middle of the day, when I felt like, okay, this is going downhill again. I want to drink, I want to just knock myself out. I was like I'm gonna go back in there. And it got to a point where I lost so much weight from constantly working out that. And then COVID hit and they shut down.

Sabine: 13:39

I went to a friend of mine and I said, hey, I need to do something else, but related to working out. I need to actually build some muscle. Because I went from 130 pounds down to barely 100 pounds and I was like, oh my god, I feel so shaky and I was so skinny. I was like I need to do something else to put something on this. And but I need to continue, I cannot stop doing this. And he recommended somebody and it was a gym owner. At the time the gyms were closed, but he called me in there and he looked at me and he said, okay, yeah, I can do something with you, but this is gonna be up to you, I'm not gonna babysit you. And I said that's fine.

Sabine: 14:21

So we ended up training together in the closed gym, dark, it was like rocky, there was no light, there was no AC.

Sabine: 14:29

In the dark he would train me and it was the most amazing experience and I fell in love with that sport and for me it was that, and for somebody else it might be something else, you know, but I discovered something that helped me, not just physically but and it wasn't about vanity it was really getting my head in order, clearing my head and feeling good, like the you know, the dopamine that kicks in, and I was like, okay, I'm strong, I can do this.

Sabine: 14:58

And I felt not just physically but emotionally stronger and and that went on. It went on for the last four years and I got really heavy into that lifestyle of eating healthy and not drinking alcohol and drinking lots of water and working out and the entire community of it all that. I honestly believe it saved my life, because I have a really bad feeling where otherwise I would have gone with this, and so, yeah, it's been an incredible thing. That came out of something really horrible, you know, but I discovered another part of myself that I really love and has really helped me, you know, to work through things.

Jennifer: 15:43

Yeah, wow, what a hard story too. I can't imagine what you went through with that, that home invasion I just can't even imagine. That's why you probably saw my face I was making all kind of just can't even fathom that. And it's crazy because I just went into a week or so ago. I was in a part of a I don't know it's like a speaking thing that one of the police I don't know what he was, but he basically here in the city where we're at and Plano, goes around and talks about you know how victims are targeted and stuff. And a lot of this I've heard because I've taken you know, I took a self defense class before, so I kind of know some things, but I don't know that you're ever prepared for something like that. I mean you don't expect someone to come into your home and do something like that. So, yeah, that would. I mean these are hard things, but I think the incredible things to your testament is that they again being able to come out of that and find something in the power of exercising.

Jennifer: 16:35

We know, and you know I talk about that even in my book when I was going through my nerve condition in 2012, I had exercised for many, many years.

Jennifer: 16:42

It had been a part of my life, but I wasn't a big runner and I became an avid runner and I, you know, we, we would sometimes go out and do a half marathon on Saturdays and turn around on Sunday to another one. I mean, we, I was running probably 50, 60 miles easily. You know that wasn't sometimes even including a long run, because then I would do a long one on the weekends. But I used it and I talk about this specifically in my book that I used it as a way to divert the pain that I was going through, and and I'm when I mean pain, I don't just mean physically, I mean emotionally too, because when you're dealing with something whether it's something like you went through or a chronic condition that you cannot get rid of and you're trying to navigate that, it does, it reeks havoc on your brain and on your mind and your well-being, and so you have to find tools to learn to cope.

Jennifer: 17:30

So thank goodness that you found that.

Sabine: 17:33

Yes, yes, and you know I'm not ashamed, obviously, you know to say it. You know how I was spiraling, because it's a horrible experience and yeah, it's just what it is. And again, I have great compassion for anybody who has to deal with any form of abuse, whether it's emotional or physical. You know it's. And but these are the things like if we take that first step of saying, let me try this and luckily I did, you know, let's just try this, give it a chance Then we have a chance to get out of these holes that you know we find ourselves in. And you know, like that's, that's the first step. That first step is the most important step to take and say, ok, I'm going to try this, I'm going to give this a chance.

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Jennifer: 19:25

Yeah, and sometimes you just do that on blind faith. You don't always know. Sometimes you know I'm sure you've found this many times. It is. It's that first step and then you take it. You don't really know what's going to be the outcome of that. You just know you can't stay in the situation that you're in.

Sabine: 19:39

And even you know what I've done now in the last month. You know people ask me. They're like why are you doing this move? Why are you giving up everything your family, your friends, boyfriend, like everything? You're traveling halfway around the world to nothing, like there's nothing waiting for you, and it's one of those things, like I don't know. I felt this calling to do this and I've had a multitude of little reasons that would I could argue for this, but there was like a million reasons against it, you know, but it's no, it's you have.

Sabine: 20:16

I have, at this point in my life and that's something else I feel like we have at 50 that we don't have at 20 or we're not aware of a 20, like this, this, this inner calling, this instinct, you know, this innate knowing that this is what I need to do. I can't tell you exactly why, but it feels so right and I'm going to do this. And I have, at this point, I have the faith in this feeling that it's going to be fine. And yes, I do not have all the answers. I don't know, I don't know exactly how this is going to work out and what I need to. I don't know the house, I don't know, but that's okay and I have faith in that that it's all going to reveal itself. All I need to do is take that first step, and there's many little first steps in this place. I'm like I don't know how to do this, but I'm just going to go and try, let's see what happens, you know, and yeah, it's all magically always works out.

Jennifer: 21:14

Yeah, I think it's great. I think too and wouldn't you say that you're also in that accepting responsibility too? Right, like you're saying, I'm doing this and I don't know what's going to happen? Because I think that's what I would say about myself. I would say I own my choices, like good or bad, I'm okay. If I'm going to jump, I'm not going to jump toe in, we're going to dive in, and if it fails, it fails, but I'm going to own it. I'm going to say, yeah, I did that, screwed up, it's okay. And I think that's what sets people you know, like you free, because you can say I'm going to do this, my intuition says this feels right, and if it screws up, it screws up, it's not the end of the world, I'll move on, I'll pick myself up and I'll just walk to the next thing.

Sabine: 21:56

Right. But see, for me there's no such thing really as screwing up, like at this point in my life it's like I am not going to judge myself and like say, how could you do this? How did you like? There's no failure, there's no screwing up, there's only experiences. So, honestly, like I don't think this is going to be my final destination. I don't know. People are like, oh, you're going to come back to California, and I'm like maybe I will, maybe I won't, I don't know, but I'm not looking at it as like, oh, this failed and I'm back in California. No, I am loving this time of exploring, of venturing out, of exploring foods, and like I go to Zomat one weekend and I'm going to Athens next weekend and I'm going to Switzerland in between, and it's so cheap to travel here.

Sabine: 22:45

You know it's like that's not there's failure, there's really rich experiences along the way and I'm letting it guide me to Okay, let's go explore here, go explore there and let's see where it takes me. But I don't. I Never think of this as failure. There's no failure. It's. It's so amazing, it's it keeps I. Honestly, I feel like this is what keeps us alive, when we can go out and explore, explore our outside world, but also explore what's going on in there, like how does that feel, you know? And then adjust, adapt, change or maybe love it and say, oh, my god, I didn't know, I had this in me, you know it's. It's such a beautiful, rich Way to live, instead of judging ourselves and saying, well, you might fail, and then what? No?

Jennifer: 23:42

and I agree with you. Thank you for saying that because I agree with you. That was probably a poor choice on my work, on my behalf. Anyways, because I agree with you 100%, I say everything is an experience, like I Use that word screwed up, because so many people do do that right. Like they say I failed at this, would know like you and I think of it. No, you didn't, because you learned something. If you know how to find the blessing in that and pick up the message, then you learn something from it. I think a lot of people sometimes I don't say a lot I think some people fail to pick up the message, the takeaway from it. They just say yes, eat themselves up and say I messed up, when you and I both know there's no mess up. Really. It was a wrong path, but you needed to gain something from the wrong path and in your case you know and I could probably add to that and say that I think life is about experiences. I think that everything we do is about how we're bettering Ourselves, those around us and anything that we can do. If we go in that mindset of everything that we take on, it's just another experience to add to the you know, to our tool belt.

Jennifer: 24:41

I had a. I had a gal. I have a good friend here that she worked with my kid. She's an elite runner, was an Olympic trial marathon runner. I have not forgotten or I brought on my show. In the very beginning we talked about this. One of the questions was when you're standing up on the starting line with all these elite Olympic trial runners and you're up there and I'm getting chills telling you this. Right now she's standing up there. These are the best of the best in the running right.

Jennifer: 25:04

They're trying to try out for the Olympics. You know what are you thinking and she's you know comes back to. I rely on my tool belt, I rely on what I know and what I've trained for in the experience all the things that I've done that you continue to take in. So Did she make it every time? No, because that's part of it, but she would have never had any of the experiences. Has she never tried out and was willing to risk not making it right? So I'm with you. I don't think there are failures. I think there are lessons learned and we have to just get really good at being grateful for those experiences.

Sabine: 25:35

Right, I'm learning to find the message that we're supposed to take away from it but I like you said it like that because it made me point that out, because a lot of people do that they we're our worst critics and we put ourselves down and we're not very nice to ourselves, you know. But I think we all need to remember and say, wait a second, no, you did Make the best choice that you knew at the time, for whatever reason, and that's that's good. As long as things are integrity with who you are, for me that's the most important. As long as it's an integrity and I'm like, yeah, I can stand for this, I will stand for my choice, then the rest it's just. There's only gain, there's nothing to lose, you know.

Jennifer: 26:26

I love it and I love it You're. You know, headspace is I don't know what tomorrow's gonna bring, or if I'm gonna go back to California, if I'm gonna stay here. I think that's great and I think that that's how we have to be open to Opportunity and things that come because our priorities change, you know we just, we enter different phases of our lives and we decide.

Jennifer: 26:45

You know one point, you know, when our kids are growing up, there are priority not that we don't love our kids when they're older, but when they're younger our priority is there to guide them and lead them. And then at some point they kind of take off and they're doing their lives and doing their things and we enter into the different domain when now we have freedom to do other things. And I think that's what's beautiful Is that you know, when you get to a place where you're saying I can take in these enriched experiences. I don't know where tomorrow is going to lead me, I may be doing something different, but you're living out your extraordinary.

Sabine: 27:14

And that's really what this is all about right, right, and I, I I'm very grateful that I found a way to Do what I love to do at the same time. Like I work with my clients While I'm here. It makes no difference, because they're all over the map. Anyways, you know, I record my podcast episodes, I have my mic with me or headphones, and Like I can get to do everything that I love to do now, matter where I'm at. So it all fits together so perfectly.

Sabine: 27:47

I saw, I feel very grateful that, you know, I get to do all of the things that I Want to do, but at the same time, these are the results of our choices and we have nobody else to blame but ourselves. If it's not, if it doesn't feel good, you know, if it doesn't feel good, yes, sometimes I mean I would have never done this, I don't know, three years ago, when my kids were still in high school, like I would have never left my kids, you know, but my kids moved on. So now it was, you know, like now it was up to me to say, okay, what am I gonna do? So I, if I would have stayed in redondo in California and sat there by myself, an empty house, and felt sorry for myself. Well, that would be my choice too.

Sabine: 28:30

You know, it's up to us to take the initiative and say, okay, I'm gonna take care of myself, what is it gonna be? What do you want? But for that, we need to get clarity on what it is that we want. And that's a process, you know, and that's what I work with a lot of people with and to figure out, help them figure out. What do you want? What do you actually desire? Let's figure that out and then go for it.

Jennifer: 28:56

Yeah, that's a hard thing for a lot of people because you asked that question. They don't always know right Like they. They're conditioned to think they what they've been thought they want. And if they really just start digging in deep, they really start recognizing that a lot of things they're probably doing in life aren't really in alignment with what they really want to be doing. Right, and it can be a wake up call. Sometimes you have these crises and that's what you know says hey, what am I doing? Why is it? Why are these things happening in my life? I'm not saying bad things, as bad things do happen to good people. I'm talking about when we have repeated repetitive bad patterns that we're doing picking poor choice jobs, men, whatever the case is in our lives, right, these poor choices we start looking and going. They're not in alignment with who we are and what we want in our lives, and so I love that that you brought that up.

Sabine: 29:40

Yeah, I know it's, it's, it's important, it's the most important step to get clarity on that in order to achieve your joy, your happiness. So you're, you live your dream.

Jennifer: 29:53

Yeah, okay, well, I love it. So, being what I'd love to know from you we said so many great takeaways in this today, I think if we were to like put the bullet points, I'm going to love when this thing goes in says take all the takeaways and we can all bullets from this Cause. So many great things. But somebody right now we talked about, you know, getting clarity, taking ownership. You know, being open to experience is not looking at, as you know, as missed goals, as failures, but more as lessons learned. Right, but one, maybe one thing that you would leave somebody with that maybe they're right now, they're kind of sitting in this place right now where they're going. I want to do something different tomorrow. We've told them to get clarity and take that step. Anything else you want to add that they could do differently in their in, maybe in their mindset or in their day, or something they could bring to help them make that step?

Sabine: 30:41

Well, I think the biggest thing holding all of us back is fear, cause there's really only two things there's love and there's fear. So it's not love, it's fear. So recognize that and the choices you make start to get an awareness for it. Ask yourself and say okay, what I'm choosing here? Am I choosing this out of fear or out of love? And when I mean love, it's not just love for the thing or love for the person, for somebody else, but love for yourself. So, like, get into a pattern of asking yourself, because then you're going to figure out if it's an alignment with who you truly are, like authentically are, and how you truly want to live your life, and when it's. And you got to be so honest with yourself, like you don't have to tell anybody else, but just be honest with yourself and say no, I'm choosing this because I'm afraid, I'm afraid to lose that person, I'm afraid to be alone, I'm afraid to end up alone.

Sabine: 31:56

And then you know, and then you know where your work begins.

Jennifer: 32:00

Love it. That's good, that's good, all right. Well, real quick, tell us a little bit about your podcast, in case somebody wants to plug in and learn more about this.

Sabine: 32:09

So the podcast is called the Power Life and it talks, especially right now, like for the last I want to say couple of months every week. It really shares what I'm going through up in my head, like my whole process of deciding to do this and the different phases I go through. And the funny thing is like I sit down and I have an idea of what I want to talk about and then, as I'm recording this, I'm actually working through my challenges and at the end I'm like, well, thank you very much. All right, so it's been a lot of fun to share, like to really share what's going on, and like this morning, I had three things I had worked on over the weekend. I'm like, oh my God, I need to record this. And I recorded three episodes at once. I'm like, okay, this was one, let's do another one, this needs to come out, this needs to come out of my head and I need to finish processing this.

Sabine: 33:07

So it's really fun. It's life as in, like life as what it's going on right here. It's very raw, it's very authentic and, yeah, it's like I feel like I'm sharing, like I'm talking to you. You know it's okay, let's talk about this. What's going on. Oh my gosh. So yeah, it's me. It's just raw and authentic me.

Jennifer: 33:32

I love it, so do they. What website do we send them to, I guess, if they want to catch up with you? I'm sure, after listening to this, there's going to be some people out there that want to find out what you're doing, follow this story, you know, and see where you end up, where we want to send them.

Sabine: 33:45

So the easiest is my website. It's called thepowerlifecoachcom and there is links to the podcast and there's links to my social media. I'm pretty active on LinkedIn and I've been neglecting a little bit the other ones, just because it's been too much, too much work and with the move and everything. So, yeah, thepowerlifecoachcom, that's really the best place to get started.

Jennifer: 34:12

You do great stuff in LinkedIn, by the way, and I do think for what you do because you and I do you know similar things in that we're talking about success and all of that. I think LinkedIn is a really good platform and I love your photos, I love all your stuff that goes in there. You're doing a great job, you know, in that particular platform, so keep doing your thing, I love it.

Jennifer: 34:31

I'm very excited to be back to this whole badass iron sister thing. I love it because I think that it just it just embodies you and I'm excited to see you know where you travel and what you end up you know along this journey. I think it's fun and you're in a great place. So I say kudos to you for being able to to you worked hard and you put yourself in this position so that you could do this.

Sabine: 34:51

Thank you, I appreciate it. Yes, it's fun. It's very exciting. I'm looking forward to continuing to share.

Jennifer: 34:59

That's really cool, very cool. Well, we do want to say, of course, to our listeners if you enjoy this episode, be sure you head on over to Apple, give us a review over there. You can check us out on YouTube, hit that subscribe button and reach out to Sabine so you can follow her and keep up with what she's doing and watch, you know, listen to her podcast. It sounds like a fun thing. And I was going to say to that point Sabine, sometimes us talking through the things is how we work through the things, right?

Jennifer: 35:25

So kudos to you for being raw and authentic in that one. And, as I always say, in order to live the extraordinary you must start, and every start begins with a decision. You guys, take care, be safe, be kind to one another, and we will see you next time.